User talk:Ooswesthoesbes

Things to think about
Hi. On some of the topics we were discussing over there ... That's all I can think of for now. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Practical name of the wiki = ? (but I agree: we don't have to decide today )
 * I'm sure we should have Extension:WikimediaIncubator here.
 * Since this is going to be a multilingual project, in principle I'd have Extension:Translate and Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector here. But I'm not sure how well they'll work—especially ULS—unless we have a feed of multilingual messages from translatewiki. And for the life of me I wouldn't know how to do that. (Unless you do, we're going to need help.)
 * Confirm with @Revi that we have that edit activity exemption in place.
 * I think you're allowed to edit the local interwiki map here. So probably you should add an interwiki to WM Incubator (probably "wmincubator" or something like that).
 * I think we should probably start out with CC 3.0, not 4.0. I'm sure 4.0 is better, but for right now all of the content at Wikimedia Incubator is only licensed at 3.0, so we'd have to inform people of that every single time we move something here. Just not worth the effort.
 * As far as adding to the Interwiki map over at Meta-Wiki, since I imagine miraheze: should go to the main page of meta.miraheze.org, I'm going to wait until we have a working name here so that I can point that to our local main page.
 * I'm pretty bad at coming up with names. Incubator Plus has already been taken, so Incubator Extra is all I can think of, but it sounds horrible. We probably should stick to Incubator Miraheze vs. Incubator (otherwise unspecified means Wikimedia).
 * Yes, if you know how to add it.
 * In general, my technical knowledge is very basic, so I don't even know what you mean exactly.
 * Yes.
 * I just checked the special pages, but I couldn't find any special page in which I can set the interwikis.
 * I found the special page to select the license, but 3.0 was not an option.
 * Yes, I agree. :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:30, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of "New Incubator Plus", myself. But I'm open to suggestions, too.
 * I can't see Special:ManageWiki, because you need 'crat privileges for that. But I think that at least certain extensions can be activated from that page (or maybe Special:ManageWikiExtensions). For others you have to go to Miraheze's phabricator. See m:ManageWiki.
 * Translator is the extension that allows people to translate pages that need to be multilingual. (Pages marked for translation are the ones that have Translate this page, often with a notice that the page has been changed since last markup.) ULS is the one that puts the multilingual control at the top of the page and lets you see the interface in your native language. My guess is that those two extensions can probably just be switched on at Special:ManageWiki (or maybe Special:ManageWikiExtensions).
 * What I don't quite know is (a) just how much of this infrastructure is currently available at Incubator Plus, and (b) just how much we really need to provide, given that just about nobody here is going to be creating projects in languages likely to be found on translatewiki. That said, there may well be people who at least aren't fluent in English.
 * [skip]
 * I think I made a mistake about that. We may have to ask a steward. Eventually there will be a group here called  that will be able to handle if a 'crat requests. See m:Requests for Comment/Interwiki links editing.
 * I think we need to request 3.0 centrally, probably on phabricator. See m:ManageWiki.
 * [pending]
 * Have a good weekend. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Or maybe Incubator Plus 2.0, as we will probably abandon the Wikia version anyway.
 * I made you a crat so you can check it out yourself :)
 * Yes, I know the extensions, but I don't know how to enable them, as I couldn't find them in the list on the special pages.
 * (a) Incubator Plus basically lacks any infrastructure. No extensions have been enabled, and the little bits that were set up were made unusable due to Wikia's policy of becoming Fandom. I'll stop discussing that topic any further, because I'm fed up with Wikia now... :P (b) As, probably, most languages will be either unrecognized minority languages, historical languages, conlangs, or revival languages, it is safe to assume the editors are fluent in a language established at TranslateWiki, so enabling translations, especially for common languages such as French, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, etc, makes sense.
 * Yes, that seems to be the way to handle that.
 * I can imagine that changing a license isn't too much of work to do, so Revi might be able to help us out there. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:46, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * My first-ever job was as a clerk-typist at NASA Headquarters in Washington, so I guess I’m an experienced bureaucrat. (-)
 * ULS was already in. I found Translate and activated it. I also added WikiLove and the Sandbox link. And last, I added a skin, Vector Dark, which is good for a nighttime mode.
 * As for WikimediaIncubator, I think I want to talk to Robin (who wrote it) before we request installation. Mostly, the default info pages don’t work quite right, and I’m not sure how we manage langcodes that will never see the light of day at WMF. So I’d like an idea about those things before we start.
 * Are you going to contact communities on Incubator Plus one by one? Move Plus over at once? (I don’t think we should volunteer to move any project that took its own subdomain on Wikia, but probably if people come to ask us we can do that.
 * Finally, I’m going to try to recast the Miraheze logo in the Incubator logo colors and see what I get.
 * Thanks for being willing to help with the summer update. I’m actually going to be around a little less in the next few weeks, so it would be a help. I’ll write you over there explaining how I’ve been doing it when I’m actually n a computer, probably tomorrow. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Very good :)
 * I'll put a notice on there, but I'm not going to move the projects unless they request to be moved (for now). More important is updating the links on the Wikimedia Incubator to here once we're ready. The other subdomains can be treated the same way, although I think chances are small they are willing to move from their own domain to a place where prefixes etc. are necessary.
 * That is very good as well :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Inactivity exemption is granted, FYI. &mdash; revi  03:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Requested interwiki map update at m:Stewards' noticeboard. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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Oh, and I'm good with . So that's now. See Main Page. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The local interwiki map was updated. The prefix is , so your user page there is wmincubator:User:Ooswesthoesbes. (The change was not applied to Miraheze's global interwiki map.)
 * 2) When I start putting in config requests at phabricator, one that I'm surely going to request is that only 'crats can upload files. I do not want to have to start messing with EDPs. Only reason I'm even going to let us upload is so that we can potentially upload a wiki logo and xml archive files, nothing else.
 * 3) One other I'm thinking about depends on what you prefer: We could configure this wiki so that wmincubator: and wikia:c:incubatorplus are both permissible targets for transwiki importing. Then you (we?) wouldn't have to fuss with xml-based importing, at least from those sites. Is there a reason I'm not aware of that we shouldn't do that? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * ...but I'm also going to have to ask phabricator to restore the name of the Project: namespace to Incubator:, because Incubator Plus 2.0: is just too long. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Very good!
 * I think that is good enough. Images can alternatively be linked to Commons.
 * I'm only used to xml import, so I'm not too familiar with transwiki importing. However, I see no reason not to have transwiki import enabled. For small tests, it can be easy.
 * I agree, we should keep the project namespace short, as it won't interfere with Wikimedia Incubator. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Above added as phab:T3445. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. They finished the phab task. But I'm seeing two bugs, still:
 * Sysops can still upload files (though "users" no longer can)
 * Something odd happened with the namespace adjustment. If you look, for example, at Special:AllPages, the drop-down box (for namespace) contains "Incubator:" twice. But at the moment it can't find the only page I've created in that namespace (a test page called I:Community Portal) unless you search using the second one. I'm going to hold off on asking for these corrections for a day or two, because I don't want them to start thinking of me as a pain in the backside, and because I'm wondering if some system-wide database upload is necessary before that completely resolves.
 * Note, though, that the aliases I: and IT: now work.
 * In order for transwiki import to work from (old) Incubator Plus, they had to create a prefix. So that is now wikiaincubatorplus:. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether that's a problem. Are we going to make the sysop status the test admin status or are we simply not allowing test admins? As they will not get their own subdomain, test admins seems rather unnecessary.
 * That is something that should be addressed indeed.
 * I noticed the new interwiki, which is good :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:22, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I thought wikimediaincubator extension included test-sysop by default. (Correct me if it is not) &mdash; revi  11:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That could very well be the case. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 11:31, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it does, at that.
 * I think we'd want something like test-sysop anyway. It's one thing for such people to manage their tests, and we can definitely discuss whether the associated set of rights shouldn't be broadened some. After all, I'm thinking that once this is running we're not going to manage it as tightly as we do WM Incubator. On the other hand, I doubt we want to give everyone managing a test the full sysop toolbox, either.
 * In that spirit, we can probably let sysops as well as 'crats upload files. Anyone who is actually promoted to (full) sysop is going to understand the upload policy. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:17, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, though I must also say that this site probably requires way less management than Wikimedia Incubator, as it probably won't get as active.
 * The one question that remains: on Wikia Incubator, some tests actually used images. How are we going to deal with these? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't want to host images at all. Instant Commons is loaded here, so we don't really need to have images. Any images in Wikia Incubator that cannot go on Commons have to go, I think. I'm leaving you and me upload rights, but aside from logos (which I did upload today) and .xml archive files, I don't want files here, either. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2018 (UTC)